The Difference Between OLD and NEW

By Mark Jantzi

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You know, speaking of the old and the new, maybe before I start, if we are going to talk about this house at all tonight, I should ask Sister Rita to come and repeat her dream. There are a few new people here who wouldn’t have a clue as to what we are talking about. Would you briefly tell your dream again sister?

Sister Rita Jantzi:  I had a dream September 1st [2010] and in the dream I saw two houses. I saw a house on the left and I saw a house on the right. I had a knowing within me that the house on the left was an old house and the house on the right was a new house. Now to look at these houses with my natural eyes I could see no difference. They looked the same. The old house didn’t look old and dilapidated and the new house didn’t look shiny and new. To look at them you would think they were the same.

I was not allowed to see the inside of the house. In between the two houses stood a huge bulldozer as tall as the houses. Again I had a knowing within me that this bulldozer was going to destroy one of these houses and I knew that when it happened it was going to be final.

I heard a voice simply say, “Choose.”

That was the end of the dream.

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Old House

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New House

Brother Mark:  Well we are talking about mount Zion tonight. Before we get any further into the house I want to take you into Hebrews the 12th Chapter. It seems that we have been spending a certain amount of time in the book of Hebrews and in particular the 12th Chapter at this conference. Now we will start on the 18th verse. What I do is I write in the column of my Bible and I write the word “OLD” in the column next to the 18th verse and I write the word “NEW” next to the 22nd verse. So let me read it and I’m going to use the word “OLD” as I am reading and realize that I am adding a word to it, but I am talking about the “OLD” mountain.

Hebrews 12:18 “For ye are not come unto the [OLD] mount that might be touched…

In other words and old mountain that your flesh could see it and your hands could touch it.

18 “For ye are not come unto the [OLD] mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,”

19 “And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:”

20 “(For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:”

21 “And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)”

Now that is the OLD, that is the OLD mountain, that is the OLD house. One of the things about that OLD house is that it represents law. Amen.

But now we are talking about the NEW house.

22 “But ye are come unto [NEW] mount Sion…”

What have we been singing about? Mount Zion, a NEW mountain. Amen. Now this is not going to be a mountain that you can see with your natural eyes. You can’t touch it. It can’t be located on a map. It is not in the physical nation of Israel.

22 “… unto the city of the living God…”

This NEW mountain is the city of the Living God, this OLD one is the city of religion. Amen.

22 “…unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,

You see this NEW house, this NEW mountain (if you please) is a heavenly place, it is a spiritual place. When we say we are preaching the kingdom of God, we are preaching a spiritual kingdom. We are not come to set up an organization. We are not come to make a new denomination. We are not preaching democracy or any such thing. We are preaching the kingdom of God, a heavenly Jerusalem.

22 “…and to an innumerable company of angels,”

We are talking about those that are members of mount Zion. Amen. We are talking about:

23 “To the general assembly and church of the firstborn…”

Now you can put any name over your building that you want to put, but that doesn’t mean that you are going to be the church of the firstborn. This is a spiritual name which are written in heaven to God. God is a member of that NEW Jerusalem, that heavenly Zion.

23 “…which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,”

I think we had that defined earlier today. Men who were men, who walked among us as men, who have died and been perfected.

24 “And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant…”

Jesus is a part of that innumerable company of Zion. He is the Head of the mountain. He is the Chief Cornerstone. Amen. Hallelujah.

24 “… and to the blood of sprinkling…”

Now it speaks of the blood as if the blood were a living being. Why? Because there is life in the blood, the blood of Jesus gives us life. As partaker of that blood we are partaker of His life.

24 “… and to the blood … that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”

What better things does it speak? What did the blood of Abel speak? God said to Cain, “The blood of your brother Abel is crying to me from the ground.”[1] The blood of Abel was calling for vengeance, the blood of Abel was calling for justice to be done. But the blood of Jesus Christ [was calling], “Father forgive them, they don’t know what they are doing.”[2] Hallelujah. The blood of Jesus is calling for redemption.

Now let me look a little bit more at the house. If you want to turn to 2nd Corinthians Chapter 5. Goodness, there is so much more here.

Let me talk about 2nd Corinthians 5 which is talking about our house. You know brethren, God is showing more and more aspects of this house. It isn’t just a decision about which church you are going to belong to. It is going to involve every choice and every decision that you are making in this day and in this hour. As we are hearing what God is saying and I believe we are, He is saying that we have come into the time and season of making the finality of choices.

Decisions, we have come to the time where we must choose. You know the children of Israel came to a time in their wilderness journey, they had actually been out of Egypt only two years when they came to Kadeshbarnea. They were immediately given an opportunity to make a choice. The spies were sent into the land to see what was in the land. The spies came back and they reported both the good news and what they thought was the bad news. But on the basis of hearing the bad news they made a choice and they made a decision. Basically they were making the choice to “draw back unto perdition”.[3] Because every adult that made that choice that day was going to end up dying, their carcass falling in the wilderness and there was a finality about that decision.

“Well Brother Mark, how do you know there was a finality about that decision?”

Go over to the next chapter, I think it is Chapter 14 of Exodus. After hearing their sentence, after weeping and wailing all night long over the issue, some of them decided, “Oh we have changed our minds. I think we would like to obey you now Lord.”

The Lord said, “No. It is too late. You made your decision yesterday, that is the finality of it. I heard what you said yesterday, that is it.”

Basically they chose the OLD house. They chose the thinking of flesh. They chose not to walk by faith in the Spirit of God. As far as that generation was concerned, the bulldozer had destroyed this [NEW] house that God had offered them only one day earlier. Now it is too late to say, “Yes, I’ll take the “new house” offer”.

House pic

Old House

Buldozer pic House 2 pic

New House

Just to put the final touches on it, some of them tried to go up to battle and it went very badly for them. Hallelujah.

Now in the 5th Chapter of 2nd Corinthians we are talking about our earthly house.

2nd Corinthians 5:1 “For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.”

OLD house, hands, hand of man, hand of man on everything that is done in the OLD house. Man in control, controlling the way of the Spirit. Can I give you an example of the hand of man in control?

When we were in the Ukraine, it was the first time that we went there. Brother Campbell and I went I don’t even remember what year it was. It was when Brother Campbell got suddenly sick while he and I were there. Maybe you have heard me tell this before, but I was called upon to take the meetings that he was supposed to have.

I said, “O Lord if I am going to have to do that then you are going to have to give me this man’s anointing.”

You know it is amazing what God will give you if you ask. How many of you would like to ask for Elijah’s anointing? You know the Bible says that we are going to have it. Elijah is going to come again. Amen.

So they sent us to a Baptist Church. It was Sunday morning. I think it was Easter Sunday morning which was a very high holiday in the land of Ukraine. We brought a Word that I think was very strong. It was a Word that called the people to repentance. We were sitting on a big platform, the pastor was actually sitting in front of me a little to the left. I was sitting behind him with Oxanna our translator and behind us there was a choir of a whole lot of young people, teenagers, you know, young adolescent people.

The Spirit of the Lord came on the meeting. I saw in the Spirit, I saw the price that some of these people had paid for the gospel. We reminded them of the blood that had been shed for the price of them now being able to gather openly as they were. We had heard the stories of torture, death, imprisonment of some of these dear people for the sake of the gospel. By the Spirit we reminded them of the price that their fathers had paid.

As I finished speaking a teenage girl ran down to the front of the platform and she got down on her hands and her knees and she began to repent. I attempted to turn the meeting over to the pastor believing that he would bring the meeting to what the Spirit was saying to repent and it just encouraged them to repent. He turned his face towards me and his face was totally wet bathed in tears.

In a choked voice he said to my translator, he said, “I can’t do it now, have him go ahead and pray or something.”

So I had prayer and by then he had composed himself and I said, “Okay, brother the service is yours.”

I cannot believe what happened. The man got up and he said, “We will repent some other time. Turn to page 238 in the Hymn Book.”

That was the end of the Spirit of God in that meeting. I just could not believe. I had to go to a big Pentecostal Church that evening and I said to Oxanna, “I am determined that this is not going to happen again.”

I brought a very similar Word by the Spirit. It was a very large auditorium; they said it held 1,000 seats. There were a lot of people there that night but I know there weren’t 1,000 people there. When we finished, way out in the darkness, beyond where I could even see, an old woman began to give a Word of prophecy. I was told that this Pentecostal Church had not heard a word of prophecy from the people for a long time.

Before the meeting the head man (a pastor who called himself an “elder”) said, “I’ll give you ten minutes.”

I said, “I can’t say what I have to say tonight in ten minutes.”

He said, “Okay I’ll give you twenty, but if you find the people falling asleep you are going to have to stop.”

I said, “My friend, nobody is going to fall asleep here tonight.” Then I said to Oxanna, “We have got only twenty minutes, Before I stop speaking you start talking and before you are finished interpreting I am going to start talking.”

She said, “Okay.”

Do you hear what I am saying? The hand of man can stop the move of God.

When I finished I said, “Now Brother So and So is going to bring you and lead you into repentance.”

He had no choice. He had to do it. But do you know what? I just have to tell you the rest of the story.

The next day, after school Tanya came home from teaching school, she said, “The word is out all over the city what happened last night.” She said, “It is the little people that are cleaning the floors that are talking about it.”

Two years later Brother duCille went back with me to the same big Pentecostal Church. I thought surely, surely the mighty Word of God of this man is going to break through. But nothing. Nothing. Death. Deadness. Couldn’t do a thing. Do you hear what I am saying? Can you appreciate that God has the liberty here in your midst to change the agenda and do what He wants to do. I don’t have to be the one to stand here speaking. None of the brethren have to stand here if God doesn’t want us here. I want to say what God wants said.

God is saying, “We are in the hour when a decision must be made.”

I have heard Brother Burt say it at least three or four times already. I have been with him a number of times in the last few weeks. One of the things that the Lord told him about this year 2010 is that it is “a year of decision”. Decision means making a choice. I am seeing people make choices.

I can feel even in my own being the pull, the pull of the dark spirits that try to pull me and say, “NO! NO, don’t go that way. Go down where the darkness is.”

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Buldozer pic House 1 pic


You know David was dancing; he was dancing before the ark, but it was a new thing. Do you understand? The tabernacle of David was different than the tabernacle of Moses. What Moses did in the tabernacle in his day was right. But when David got a hold of that tabernacle what David did was also right. David had the liberty of going before that ark and plead before the mercy seat of God. He set a tent up (shall we say) in his back yard. Yes. He set a tent up and the ark was put in there and David went before the presence of the Lord and David didn’t die. Did you hear me? David didn’t die.

Brother George was talking about the covering of the tabernacle. He was talking about the badger skins and the red dyed rams skins. I went back through the Old Testament and I was searching through every place that it talked about the badger skins.

I found out that every one of the sons of Aaron were given specific responsibilities and when the tabernacle was to be moved these holy pieces of furniture had to be completely covered over with badger skins so that no man outside could see what they looked like.[4] After they were completely covered the staves were put through for the Levites to carry them. God made is specifically clear that no Levite was to actually touch the holy furniture or to look at it.[5] We are talking about the austerity of the Law. We are talking about the mountain that quaked with fire and darkness. The austerity of the Law, no bending, no compromise. Levite couldn’t see it, he couldn’t touch it and yet he had to carry it.

But here is David, David behaving in a completely different manner. David full of joy, not quaking in fear like Moses, but there was a liberty of spirit in David. And God says that He is going to raise up the tabernacle of David which has fallen down.[6]

In other words God says, “I have a NEW house. It is going to be fashioned after the spirit of David.”

Where was I? We got through the first verse.

2nd Corinthians 5:2 “For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:”

OLD house, OLD house, flesh, OLD house, my old house is groaning. How about your OLD house? Some of you that are getting close to my age are agreeing with me. You can feel the groaning in the OLD house. Why is this OLD house groaning? Because we are getting ready for the time when we are going to put it off. Our family members are probably going to come and put it in the ground, I mean if the Lord tarries. Frankly I don’t expect that is the way that it is going to end, but since Paul wrote these Words it has been ending that way.

Nevertheless there is a desire for us “to be clothed upon with our” NEW tabernacle. Hallelujah.

3 “If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.”

4 “For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.”

Law and death versus life and Spirit of Life. Hallelujah. Let me just read a little more.

6 “Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:”

7 “(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)”

8 “We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.”

Go over to the book of Haggai to the first Chapter. These few verses here in Haggai are again calling us to make a decision. Begin with verse 4.

Haggai 1:4 “Is it time for you, O ye, to dwell in your ceiled houses, and this house lie waste?”

What kingdom are you laboring for? Amen. Are you laboring to have a nice house? Lots of bathrooms, lots of bedrooms? What kind of house are you laboring for?

And the prophet is calling to the people and saying, “Listen, you have nice natural houses that you live in, but the house of God is being neglected.”

The next verse says to the people:

5 “Now therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts; Consider your ways.”

6 “Ye have sown much, and bring in little [you don’t have much of a crop]; ye eat, but ye have not enough; ye drink, but ye are not filled with drink [you are not satisfied]; ye clothe you, but there is none warm; and he that earneth wages earneth wages to put it into a bag with holes.”

In other words you are feeding your flesh. You are doing all the things of flesh but you don’t have life. There is nothing that satisfies in the way that you have been doing it. You get a paycheck, you bring your money home, you bring your wages home and before the end of the month you have run out of money. There is always some kind of financial emergency going on in your house. Every week some new emergency coming along. The next verse says, “Consider your ways.”

7 “Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Consider your ways.”

It is like a sandwich, two pieces of bread. Each piece of bread says, “Consider your ways” and the meat inside says, “It isn’t going well for you is it?” It is the kind of meal that will give you indigestion.

So now we go down to verse 8.

8 “Go up to the mountain, and bring wood, and build the house; and I will take pleasure in it, and I will be glorified, saith the LORD.”

9 “Ye looked for much, and, lo, it came to little; and when ye brought it home, I did blow upon it. Why? Saith the LORD of hosts. Because of mine house that is waste, and ye run every man unto his own house.”

Now when we are talking about building the NEW house of God we are NOT talking about something that I can do with my hands. I cannot accomplish this thing with tools, a saw, a hammer, nails and mortar and blocks. It is a spiritual preparation that we have to do. God is using a natural example to tell us in our generation that we need to take care of the spiritual matter.

Now we go down to the 2nd Chapter and look in verse 6. We are talking specifically, clearly to our generation here.

Haggai 2:6 “For thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land;

Was this not another Word that the Lord gave concerning this coming year, “A shaking”?

So you are hearing out of the Word of God the things that God is saying in this hour, in this year. I don’t know every aspect of what is going on here in the Czech Republic, but I know that in America it felt like an awful shaking this summer. We had an oil well that couldn’t be stopped. The gainsayers were saying that it is going to destroy all the ocean. We are living in a time when our finances are being shaken. We are living in a time when our politics is being shaken and I fully expect that in less than a week that there is going to be mighty shaking in the politics.[7] If I hear what the prophet is saying, it sounds like there could be demonstrations, there could be riots. You know the only reason we don’t have them now is because the Spirit of God is holding it back.

I have talked to a lot of people of the world and they want a fight. They talk about the weapons that are being prepared for a big fight. Shaking, shaking, shaking!

7 “And I will shake all nations…”

Not just one nation, ALL nations are going to be shaken. Hallelujah.

7 “…and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.”

What house is He going to fill with glory? The house of His Spirit, the house of Life, the house of Light. You know when you have been living in darkness you don’t want the light. Did you know that?

Did you ever find yourself drawing back from the light and saying, “Oh, oh, oh wait a minute. I don’t like what is going on here.”

You have to examine yourselves: “My God have I been living in the dark so long that when I see the light I don’t like it?”

But I pray, “God adjust my eyes. If this is You, if this is Your Spirit I want my eyes to be able to see it.”

8 “The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD of hosts.”

I keep wondering, “Why did He throw that verse in there? What does all of the silver and the gold have to do with the shaking of the nations?”

Because I believe the nations are going to go broke. I don’t know whether you read our news, but we are spending money like a drunken sailor in America. I’m sorry, maybe you don’t have drunken sailors here in the Czech Republic. I mean we spend a trillion dollars on this. We give a trillion dollars there, a trillion dollars somewhere else. I don’t even know how to count to a trillion. I can’t even count to a billion and it is a thousand times bigger than a billion. A billion is a thousand times bigger than a million and I don’t think I have ever counted that high. A lot of money.

Listen to this. Listen to this.

9 “The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former saith the LORD of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the LORD of hosts.”

Which house do you want? Let me take you back to Brother John, the gospel of John Chapter 14, a promise of the house that Jesus gave and maybe we will quit with this.

John 14:1 “Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.”

2 “In my Father’s house…” “In my Father’s house…” “In my Father’s house…”

How many of you want to be in His Father’s house? Amen.

2 “In my Father’s house are many mansions…”

What does your Bible say for “mansions”?

Interpreter:  “Like a place of dwelling.”

Brother Mark:  There you go. They have got the right word. There they go again. The Czech Bible has got better words than the King James Bible.

“Of course.”

Of course. Just dwelling places. Amen.

2 “In my Father’s house are many mansions [dwelling places]: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.”

Listen, you don’t have this mansion thinking in the Czech Republic, do you? You haven’t had these Americans coming over here telling you that you are going to have a twenty room mansion? Or something like that? That’s quite a house.

“Sometimes we have.”

But you don’t believe it do you? No. Okay. Well then I will leave that be because we don’t need to correct a misunderstanding about that.

But I know that there are people who believe that they are going to have natural physical house to dwell in, in heaven somewhere on Gold Street. Amen. Now listen we are talking about spiritual things. It says, “In my Father’s house are [many dwelling places].”

Here is a house. Here is a house. Here is a house. Here is a house. Here is a house. Here is the dwelling place of Jesus Christ. This is the house of Jesus Christ. He dwells in me. I am a dwelling place. I am a temple of God. You and you and you and you and you and you and you and all of you plus me, we make up the house of God. So I am individually a dwelling place of God and corporately we are a dwelling place of God. When we all get together we also are called the city of the Living God. We are called New Jerusalem.

Brethren don’t focus your eyes on OLD Jerusalem over there on the eastern end of the Mediterranean Sea in a land called Israel. Don’t worry about the politics that is going on over there. Don’t worry about what the rabbis are doing over there. They will do what they want to do. That rebuilding of their temple and reinstituting animal sacrifices is not the kingdom of God, not the new house.

Now what did Jesus say?

John 14:2 “…I go to prepare a place for you.”

3 “And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself…”

We will just quit right there for now.

3 “… that where I am, there ye may be also.”

Now “I am” talks about the future, the present or the past? Do I hear that you all understand that “where I am” is talking about the present time?


Jesus is not talking about a place that “I am” going to be or a place that “I am” going to go. He is going to prepare a spiritual place that where He is right now, when He was speaking this Word – where He was in the Father – the power, the authority that He had – He was saying to them that “where I am [now], you can be, so I am going to have to prepare it for you to come into this same fullness of Christ.”

What kind of preparation did He have to do? He had to die on the cross. His blood had to be shed. He had to resurrect from the grave so that He could show us that He had authority over the grave – so that we could put off this mortal body of death, this decaying body, this groaning body. That when we put it off by faith, because He went before me, that we will be putting on a NEW body, a NEW tabernacle in which dwells the fulness of Christ. But I’m telling you brethren, I expect a taste of it before I put this thing off. I’m expecting in my generation that He will return suddenly into His temple. His temple, I expect He is going to return suddenly. Hallelujah.

Tabernacle and Outer CourtWell just a couple of other possibilities here. Some would say this is a choice between outer court and holy place.

Well if that is where you are, then make the choice. If to you that is the level of choice that you are at, then make the right choice.

Some people say that you have to choose between Babylon the OLD order, the OLD system, the harlot church and the TRUE church. If that is where you are at, make the choice to get out of Babylon.

You see the Bible is full of decisions, full of choices, different levels of choice that we have to make. Hallelujah.

You know I will just leave one more thing with you. We shared this message in other places that we went and one brother spoke up to me after hearing this, a brother that I have not seen for many years. Most of you have probably never seen this brother.

He listened to what we were saying and he said, “You know this dream is not speaking about just a choice between outer court and holy place. No.” He said, “This dream is speaking about a choice that the holy place people are going to have to make as well.”

If you consider yourself holy place people, then there is another decision and this kind of decision always involves some kind of separation. I want to be making the right choice and you do too.

I urge you to respond to the Holy Spirit. You can sense what the Spirit is saying to you. The obedience is up to you. You know how to choose.

God bless you.

[1] Genesis 4:10
[2] Luke 23:34
[3] Hebrews 10:39
[5] Note: No ordinary Levite who was not of the family of Aaron could see or touch the sacred furniture. However the Levites who were of the Kohathite family line were to bear the covered sacred furniture when it was moved.
[6] Amos 9:11
[7] (This was right before the next elections in the USA.)